Who would be in your 17? There's quite a few uncertainties after this year after poor seasons from ourselves and good seasons from the likes of hull and wire. Reigning mos vs close challenger to the dally m award for the 9 shirt. Tomkins Manfredi and SO'L are probably out. Ben Currie out, Jack Reed forced into retirement to name a few injuries.

Whats going on with the ticket site for the 4Nations? It's been down for the last 3 days.

Assuming Tomkins is out:

Lomax
McGilvery
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Brown
Gale
Graham
Hoodgson
Burgess
Batemen
Whitehead
Burgess

Clark
Hill
Tom Bugess/Taylor/Cooper
Greenwood / McMeekan

Its so disappointing because this year both Aus and NZ are having something of a changing of the guard, their squads are squads you would think you could get at.

And then we see what we have available, the players who are out and the lack of depth at key positions.

Our best backline players are injured or woefully out of form and those who should be demanding those shirts can only strive for mediocrity. Our Halves are a choice between players who simply havent been tested at the top club level never mind international level or players who have come up short at international level.

Id love to see us win it and looking at the NZ and Australia squads id think it was our best chance for a while, but unless we our backline can jump from being in awful form to their best and we can find a couple of halves with English grandmothers i fear we will be embarrassed.

I was pretty confident at the start of the year but for the reasons you have highlighted very much less so now.

I have learned never to get my hopes up too much regards the international scene anyway these days as all i have ever known is them being crushed and sometimes in brutal fashion. Will be interesting to see what Bennett adds to the setup, especially regards the psyche of the players. Still looking forward to it, got my tickets for the Anfield final in the Kop, hopefully we will be there.

I'd have

Shaul
Mcgilvery
Watkins
Bateman (it probably will even though I don't think he is a centre at all)
Hall
Widdop
Williams
Hill
Hodgson
Graham
Farrell
Whitehead
S.Burgess

Subs
Clark
T.Burgess
Cooper
Ferres

Ratchford,Lomax, Gale,Taylor ,Greenwood,G.Burgess,Westerman

Don't care, we are woefully lacking strength in depth over a number of positions, it will be aus v nz final with some to spare, I fear international RL will be a thing of the past soon with only two real sides at the highest level.


And anyone who thinks Lomax is an international player wants there head looking at.

Full back will be hardaker or shaul, halfbacks gale and Williams there at of the Backs and forwards pick them selves.

Would love to see Kevin Brown get a go. When fit he's a terrific player, but realistically Williams will play and as a consequence I think Smith will be alongside him with Widdop at FB (an uneducated guess).

1. Widdop
2. McGilvary
3. Watkins
4. Atkins
5. Hall
6. Williams
7. Gale
8. Graham
9. Hodgson
10. Hill
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Burgess, S

14. Clark
15. Burgess
16. Cooper
17. Ferres

18. Burgess
19. Taylor
20. Shaul
21. Westerman
22. Greenwood
23. Cudjoe
24. Farrell

Widdop at full back could be a good shout, he certainly shouldn't in the halves IMO.
Williams is a player that seems to be getting a lot of praise, but I'm not convinced, he operates in the left channel, only seems to touch the ball when Wigan get within 20 yards of the line. He also never seems to kick or pass the ball more than 10 metres.

Hardaker tweeted this the other day so looks like he's involved

"Good first day back training with @England_RL great to see the boys.. Certainly blew some cob webs off."

Shaul
McGillvary
Watkins
Turner (I've been impressed with him this year at Saints)
Hall
Williams
Gale
Hill
Hodgson
Graham
Whitehead
Ferres
S Burgess

Clark
Bateman
T Burgess
Walmsley