|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 2681 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2017 | Jul 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Take a look at this article by the Wigan Chairman Ian Lenagan: www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-5625250
Is it me that thinks 'what a bell' when reading this?
It is the incredibly insular people within RL like Ian Lenagan, Gary Hetherington and Adam Pearson that will ultimately be the death of RL in this country.
That article is a complete nonsense, especailly this part:
Quote “WE have no problem with the salary cap at all,” the Warriors chairman said.
“I don’t think it should go up. I'M perfectly comfortable with it. WE'RE not having a problem with it.
“Why would I want to pay more money than WE are?'"
It's all about what happens at Wigan: that is such a damaging way to look at situations like this.
Take, for example, the youth re-structuring. Hetherington and Lenagan were quite happy for reform because they were happy to take Hunslet and South Wales. That is something that people are now regretting and the RFL did not want. What a stupid decision that was. Pearson was quite happy to save a bit of cash in this area as well and Lee Radford came out and, rightly, criticised the decision of his club the other week.
I understand that a RL owner is going to be looking at the interests of their own club, but surely it is in the interest of Wigan RFC and Leeds Rhinos to have a great competition? Oh, but it's ok at Wigan so Lenangan couldn't give one about anyone else.
I admire the way he has negotiated deals for all their players that have gone, but on crucial decisions on the sports future he has dropped the ball IMO. Their insular views could kill the game. I know we need more money to come into the sport before any rise is viable, but to completely disregard any notion of a rise is down right stupid and comes across quite arrogant.
I don't know McManus' or Moran's view on the salary cap, so any criticism of them is unjustified. However, they were more than happy to oppose the youth re-structuring from the off and that shows that they do not hold the attitudes of Lenagan and Co.
This is what happens when you allow people who have conflicting interests to vote on matters that are crucial to the future of the sport. |
|
Take a look at this article by the Wigan Chairman Ian Lenagan: www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-5625250
Is it me that thinks 'what a bell' when reading this?
It is the incredibly insular people within RL like Ian Lenagan, Gary Hetherington and Adam Pearson that will ultimately be the death of RL in this country.
That article is a complete nonsense, especailly this part:
Quote “WE have no problem with the salary cap at all,” the Warriors chairman said.
“I don’t think it should go up. I'M perfectly comfortable with it. WE'RE not having a problem with it.
“Why would I want to pay more money than WE are?'"
It's all about what happens at Wigan: that is such a damaging way to look at situations like this.
Take, for example, the youth re-structuring. Hetherington and Lenagan were quite happy for reform because they were happy to take Hunslet and South Wales. That is something that people are now regretting and the RFL did not want. What a stupid decision that was. Pearson was quite happy to save a bit of cash in this area as well and Lee Radford came out and, rightly, criticised the decision of his club the other week.
I understand that a RL owner is going to be looking at the interests of their own club, but surely it is in the interest of Wigan RFC and Leeds Rhinos to have a great competition? Oh, but it's ok at Wigan so Lenangan couldn't give one about anyone else.
I admire the way he has negotiated deals for all their players that have gone, but on crucial decisions on the sports future he has dropped the ball IMO. Their insular views could kill the game. I know we need more money to come into the sport before any rise is viable, but to completely disregard any notion of a rise is down right stupid and comes across quite arrogant.
I don't know McManus' or Moran's view on the salary cap, so any criticism of them is unjustified. However, they were more than happy to oppose the youth re-structuring from the off and that shows that they do not hold the attitudes of Lenagan and Co.
This is what happens when you allow people who have conflicting interests to vote on matters that are crucial to the future of the sport. | |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 29216 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
It's a none issue. Insufficient numbers of clubs can afford the cap as it is, raising it is simply not possible.
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 449 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2010 | 15 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2024 | Jan 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Erm aren't there another 12 clubs to vote against anything they propose? and Ian Lenagan is doing a great job at Wigan.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 7439 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2009 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Get your facts right,radford had a go at the rl system of getting rid of the old a team matches, not against hull fc
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 20 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2013 | Jun 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Albion="Albion"WE have no problem with the salary cap at all,” the Warriors chairman said.'"
Is this the same chairman that asked for and got permission to break the salary cap so that they could keep hold of Ratface?? |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 8167 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 7498 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2023 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
If there was no cap certain clubs, Salford being one would just go out and pay silly unsustainable money for players. They would be the Man City of Superleague which would be great for them until the good Dr got bored or kicked the bucket then they would sink faster than the titanic just as City would do if Monsour (sp?) did a runner.
The previous regime at Wigan would have done exactly the same (as they did before ) but I doubt Pollard would. Saying that no cap or a significant increase would just widen the rich and poor gap even more than it already is and make SL even more boring an predictable |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 7606 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Talk's cheap and Dr Koukash certainly seems to like a headline. Mind you appointing Brian Smith as coach would have made one hell of a statement but apparently his wage demands were too much; funny that there's no cap on coaches wages. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 7498 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2023 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"Talk's cheap and Dr Koukash certainly seems to like a headline. Mind you appointing Brian Smith as coach would have made one hell of a statement but apparently his wage demands were too much; funny that there's no cap on coaches wages.'"
To be fair Nobby has a better record than Smith when it comes to winning things 
Personally I'm glad he's gone british . |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 10399 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"If there was no cap certain clubs, Salford being one would just go out and pay silly unsustainable money for players. They would be the Man City of Superleague which would be great for them until the good Dr got bored or kicked the bucket then they would sink faster than the titanic just as City would do if Monsour (sp?) did a runner.
The previous regime at Wigan would have done exactly the same (as they did before ) but I doubt Pollard would. Saying that no cap or a significant increase would just widen the rich and poor gap even more than it already is and make SL even more boring an predictable'"
Yes, but if we have rich men wanting to throw money at our game, we shouldn't be stopping them.
Clubs should have a cap to keep them safe, but if someone like the doctor could personally guarantee / finance contracts in excess of the cap, then why should we stop them? It would certainly help keep our lads in our game. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 1300 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2012 | 13 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2018 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Sadly it appears Dr K has not taken the time to understand the salary cap. The actual figure £1.85M. An extra £200K may be added by clubs with players with 10 yrs plus service + producing a number of international players. It just so happens salford rate poorly in those areas. i am sure that if Dr K is patient and invests extensively in youth development then in 5/6 years he will have a higher cap.  |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 2681 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2011 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jul 2017 | Jul 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"It's a none issue. Insufficient numbers of clubs can afford the cap as it is, raising it is simply not possible.'"
I do say that it probably isn't viable at this stage, but my point was that he seemed to be ruling it out all together.
Quote Saddened!="Sunshine state"Erm aren't there another 12 clubs to vote against anything they propose? and Ian Lenagan is doing a great job at Wigan.'"
But these two clubs are probably the leading clubs in SL right now and if they do not want change then why will the others? If these two aren't bothered about the implications of the Super League effectively being a departure lounge, then who will be?
Ian Lenagan may well be doing a great job for Wigan (I think I acknowledge this in the OP), but he won't be able to do that job if there is no more SL FT, will he?
Quote Saddened!="hull2524"Get your facts right,radford had a go at the rl system of getting rid of the old a team matches, not against hull fc'"
I have got my facts right thanks. Hull FC voted FOR the changes, so in effect, he was having a go at his club's DECISION to vote FOR the changes.
Quote Saddened!="Father Ted"Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Possibly that was the prompt, but if you read the quotes from Lenagan he is making a point that because Wigan are alright the cap can stay where it is. |
|
|
|
|
|
