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| It's getting very silly now isn't it? For the last couple of years we've seen tries given on a feather's touch from the tip of a finger. Tonight we saw one given for contact from an adjacent, vertical wrist. I wasn't at all surprised it was given, but is it time to do away with the nonsense groundings and go back to a proper rule of having to have control and downward pressure with the hand?
We've seen them given this season from the back of a flailing fingernail. The rules are that lax these days that I was convincing myself they were going to give the Briscoe one tonight as a try. On at least one of the angles there is a brief suspicion of contact with the grass and the back of the hand on the way down. Most of the stupid ones this season have been where a player is clearly losing the ball.
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| Saints lost did they? Seriously that Ryan hall try, taking the mickey. It's a bit of a lottery these days with vr decisions
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| I do think it was a strange one
He had less control over the ball tonight than he did for his disallowed effort against the Ockers last year
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| I think it was primarily given as halls fingers were under the ball.
Slow motion replays are misleading...hall never appeared to lose the ball in normal time. In slow motion virtually every player "loses" the ball as they place it down-its basic physics momentum of the hand versus the ball striking a substantially immovable surface
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| Quote Omar Little="Omar Little"I think it was primarily given as halls fingers were under the ball.
Slow motion replays are misleading...hall never appeared to lose the ball in normal time. In slow motion virtually every player "loses" the ball as they place it down-its basic physics momentum of the hand versus the ball striking a substantially immovable surface'"
He lets go before it touches the ground.
I'm not just talking about tonight's one, we've seen so many daft ones this sesaon. These days it's a try if you drop the ball completely but the back of your fingernail is in contact with the ball as it hits the ground.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"He lets go before it touches the ground.
I'm not just talking about tonight's one, we've seen so many daft ones this sesaon. These days it's a try if you drop the ball completely but the back of your fingernail is in contact with the ball as it hits the ground.'"
I thought he still had it.
But yes I agree. As I say, part of the problem is the reliance on slowmo replays. And not just for grounding, even Zaks try was referred for a double movement, something that's far easier to determine in real time!
And the VR rules are now a mess... Technically the Ablett one should have been given - ref gave it on the field and there is no way the VR could proove that was wrong as you couldn't see the ball for the whole play...however, I don't think Ablett grounded it!
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| I can't see how you can ground a ball with your wrist in the position Hall's was but it was consistent with what we have seen this season. So is it fair to moan about that decision? If he had his fingers underneath the ball has the ball been grounded?
I do agree tho it's a farce but I don't want to detract from what was the game of the season.
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| Touchdown!!!
That's the way the game is going.
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| For a try to be scored, the Laws say that a player with the ball has to "place it on the ground with the hand" The "downward pressure" thing only comes in when the ball is loose in the in-goal area.
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| it's a joke now, for me a try should only be awarded when there is a hand on the ball with downward pressure not a finger nail on the edge of the ball or a loose bit of skin on the wrist.
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| If this was not Leeds doubt we would be having this thread. There was nothing wrong with the hall try it was a try any day of the week in any era, just sour grapes
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| Quote rollin thunder="rollin thunder"If this was not Leeds doubt we would be having this thread. There was nothing wrong with the hall try it was a try any day of the week in any era, just sour grapes'"
That's not true. It was a crucial call towards the end of a very close semi final. It would be discussed irrespective of the team involved.
Under the current interpretation (and it's the interpretation that is relevant not the wording of the rule in the rule book) it was a try. I've lost count of the number of times in the last 4 or 5 seasons I've watched VR replays and thought that will be given as a try but I don't think he had control of the ball. I would like the interpretation to be changed to the player having full control of the ball, not fingertip control or the ball is touching a wrist and there has been no separation.
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