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Im not trying to start another debate about whether we should have this system or not (we shouldnt, its a terrible worst of all worlds option) however, it is clear and apparent that the idea fans would just turn up because of some silly ideas about 'importance' has been well and truly quashed.
Most sides saw a drop in averages and comparative fixtures from the regular season to the super 8s. Throughout the season comparative attendances again fell and we saw huge falls at the clubs who were relegated.
It is clear that the issue our game faces werent 'clubs taking it easy during the regular season' nor was it 'that there was nothing to play for' less than 8k watched the million pound game that isnt for a million pounds and tv viewing was down again.
Sky are wedded to thursdays nights, and he who pays the piper calls the tune, and Nigel Wood and his ilk at the RFL have forced through these changes against the vehement arguments of a large number of clubs and the vast vast majority of players so it isnt going to change without a coup at the rfl.
So knowing we are stuck with thursday nights, and with this system, what is our solution? As Steve Gill says "we took the money and the sport now has to give it its best shot whether we agree or not" What is our 'best shot'? Do we have a way of turning around falling attendances and seeing them grow? is your club doing anything this year to improve? IS there another Leeds or Wigan or saints being built? Or are we going to get to 2020 and be looking at a game that has not only continued falling behind RU and the NRL but has continued to go backwards?
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Im not trying to start another debate about whether we should have this system or not (we shouldnt, its a terrible worst of all worlds option) however, it is clear and apparent that the idea fans would just turn up because of some silly ideas about 'importance' has been well and truly quashed.
Most sides saw a drop in averages and comparative fixtures from the regular season to the super 8s. Throughout the season comparative attendances again fell and we saw huge falls at the clubs who were relegated.
It is clear that the issue our game faces werent 'clubs taking it easy during the regular season' nor was it 'that there was nothing to play for' less than 8k watched the million pound game that isnt for a million pounds and tv viewing was down again.
Sky are wedded to thursdays nights, and he who pays the piper calls the tune, and Nigel Wood and his ilk at the RFL have forced through these changes against the vehement arguments of a large number of clubs and the vast vast majority of players so it isnt going to change without a coup at the rfl.
So knowing we are stuck with thursday nights, and with this system, what is our solution? As Steve Gill says "we took the money and the sport now has to give it its best shot whether we agree or not" What is our 'best shot'? Do we have a way of turning around falling attendances and seeing them grow? is your club doing anything this year to improve? IS there another Leeds or Wigan or saints being built? Or are we going to get to 2020 and be looking at a game that has not only continued falling behind RU and the NRL but has continued to go backwards?
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The whole idea behind the Super 8s/Middle 8's is wrong and completely devalues the first 23 rounds.
We may a well go with the regular season and then have a relegation/promotion decider against the bottom SL club
and the top club in the Championship.
However unlikely the scenario is, the mere possibility that a club could be relegated from 9th in SL or, promoted from
4th in the Championship remains utterly stupid and it should never have got beyond the "ideas" "meeting".
The sport continues to look for magic remedies and quick fixes, instead of marketing and promoting the game properly
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The article doesn't say the Super 8s lost money.
It says Cas lost money across three specific games.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"The article doesn't say the Super 8s lost money.
It says Cas lost money across three specific games.'"
Those three games being the only ones Cas had in the super 8s.
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Given that quite a large number were unconvinced (and not entirely sure what it was) about the new system but ended up saying they enjoyed it I'd rather wait and see what the attendances are like this season when people know what to expect from it.
Also as I've always said you have to look at each club individually. Leeds were up attendance wise during the regular season because they were playing attacking entertaining and winning rugby compared to their struggles of around 3-4 years previously. Warrington on the other hand from 3-4 years ago went backwards on the field and attendances show.
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What the myopic OP has posted illustrates the prblems that RL has.
Speaking without thinking!!!!
The articicle supports nothing that the OP says.
THe only thing i can determine from it is no one likes Thursday games and possibly that the constant changes in times of games affects crowds.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Given that quite a large number were unconvinced (and not entirely sure what it was) about the new system but ended up saying they enjoyed it I'd rather wait and see what the attendances are like this season when people know what to expect from it.
Also as I've always said you have to look at each club individually. Leeds were up attendance wise during the regular season because they were playing attacking entertaining and winning rugby compared to their struggles of around 3-4 years previously. Warrington on the other hand from 3-4 years ago went backwards on the field and attendances show.'"
but that is exactly the problem with the excuses people make. We should be immune to them.
Some seasons leeds are going to be good, some they arent, some seasons Cas are going to be good, some they arent. 1 team has to finish top, and 1 team has to finish bottom. What was Warringtons loss, should be Leeds gain. So as a whole it should make little difference.
Its crazy as a game, or individual clubs to rely on on field success for our growth because by definition its transient and limited to a small amount of clubs.
Similarly the idea people should 'expect' something from the system just isnt true. It just isnt true for three reasons A) there isnt the correlation you assume between meaning and attendance. ABout 1k fewer Cas fans watched Cas v Saints with Cas's season entirely on the line, than had done just three weeks earlier without that 'meaning' on it.
B) we arent always going to have that finish, for every season we have 4 teams in with winning the LLS we will have a seasons with a round or two of dead rubbers. Even last year had leeds not being going for the treble, we were playing the last two rounds for home field advantage
and C) similar to the point above, 4 teams being in with a chance of 1st meant 4 teams had nothing to play for. There were 6 points between 4th and 5th, 14 between 8th and 5th |
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"What the myopic OP has posted illustrates the prblems that RL has.
Speaking without thinking!!!!
The articicle supports nothing that the OP says.
THe only thing i can determine from it is no one likes Thursday games and possibly that the constant changes in times of games affects crowds.'"
perhaps if you read the article and not the articicle you would be able to find something other than 'waah waah thursday'
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It's too early to say whether or not the super 8's have been a success having only been in place 1 year and we certainly can't draw any conclusions from 3 of cas's fixtures.
I had more interest in the championship than any previous year.
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Tbf, I thought it worked reasonably well.
It has some weaknesses, and it is always easier to attack than defend a system. 1 up and 1 down had the yo-yo club problem, no P&R offered stability that was effectively stasis. Both had over long and complicated play-off systems.
Under all these systems, At the top end of the table, since the Grand Final became (again) the big prize, most of the season is a competition for a prize nobody is that fussed about. The Premiership might have been a post-season addendum, but it was viewed as being worth more than the LLS is, even though it was a much shorter competition.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"but that is exactly the problem with the excuses people make. We should be immune to them.'"
Yeah looking at the problems from several aspects is wrong and making excuses.....what will really do the trick is you once again whinging about a system you've never liked and trying to discreetly (unsuccessfully btw) throw all the fault on that.
For a guy that said the old system needed longer it's massively hypocritical that you've had the knives out for this system even before the first year of it ended.
The ridiclous thing to do is to think (especially given RL's history) that a new system would go all smoothly in its first year without flaws that will need to be worked on moving forward, especially considering the damage the old system did to disinterest supporters in the first place.
The Super 8's will usually see a drop due to the short notice nature of the format, the CC semi and final coming into thinking for some clubs and that regardless of the tag line some teams will inevitably have little or nothing to play for with a few rounds remaining. The true judge of this system in terms of attendance isn't whether the Super 8 games match the regular season games, it's whether the attendances for both of those periods of games increases year upon year but that would actually require patience if you can manage that. |
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I wonder if this is what the Wakefield chairman was alluding too on twitter
The new tv deal or the new format of the silly 8s
He tweeted that he wish he could go back 2 years and side with the rebel 6 which at the time I think we're wigan, Warrington, saints, fc, kr and salford
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