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| Quote afootingmiracle21-12="afootingmiracle21-12"Said this for ages....there needs to be another SL break-away with new branding.
• Super league has been lost to womans footbal, netball and fantasy football leagues, just like the Rugby WC, due to our ineptitude and failure to trademark it!
• The word 'league' also has negative connotations....just listen to how some in the southern based media say the word 'league' is derisory.
• Most of the media make it clear it is the northern game, and perpetuate old stereotypes of whippets, coal mines, deprived northern towns and eddie wearing!
We need to go the same way as france....ditch league and rebrand the whole game as Rugby XIII, spoken as Rugby thirteens.
It would cause confusion to loads of casual JCL union fans who watch six nations etc to watch our game and realise the product is better, without the negative connotations and the job union has done to it! It would create a new product...imagine a marketing campaign where you went out to buy 1 second slots on national prime time advertising just with a black screen and RUGBY XIII...Its coming! Then expand with occasional adverts showing class snippets of action.
It would do what 'the hundred' is doing for cricket, but would also help us nick those union fans on the fringes, if done correctly.
But, like the hundred, it also needs to be done as part of a brave re brand, appealing to new people and giving people in different regions a team to support- to appeal to wider new fan base but also dispel the myth that we are just run down northern towns that detracts investors...and gives us only Heinz big soup and bachelors peas.
We can be parochial and backward thinking no longer. We need to be brave, and all the clubs need to embrace it.
IMO we need to rebrand most teams, still playing in the usual towns, same grounds and initially to largely the same fanbase, but allowing them to play an odd game in their wider region each year, to create opportunity for growth
Imagine a SL of the following;
Leeds Rhinos
Liverpool Saints (St Helens rebrand, still based at Langtree park in St Helens etc, but showing presence)
Manchester Fords (Salford rebrand on the same premise as Saints, with Fords being a throw to Salford) If Salford are too parocial and not brave enough then a new Manchester club.
Cheshire Wire (Warrington rebrand- same premise)
Lancashire Warriors or possibly Wigan Lancs (due to the strength of the Wigan brand)
Hull East Yorkshire
London SW Broncos
Tyne Thunder Newcastle rebrand, promoted to SL
Wales / Celtic Crusaders Back at Wrexham, where they were successful and actually starting to get crowds.
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse Olympique who will probably be in next year anyway
Most of those clubs are already in place and ready to go, but with some smart re-brands you are appealing to huge areas of the country, rather than a few hundred thousands in deprived northern towns.
You may add another one or possible 3/4 teams to that on a franchise model and on the basis of appealing to wider areas.
It Toronto can sort themselves and ultimately get Ottawa in, they would get places.
If cas sorted a new ground you could have West Yorkshire Tigers....otherwise if they want to remain parochial in their hovel of a ground they would play in a strong re-formed British Championship
British champions get the opportunity to apply for a SL licence should they wish every 3 years, upon condition of appealing to a wider area. Ie/ if york came in they'd be York North Yorkshire - Sheffield - South Yorkshire etc.
Yes it takes a huge mindshift, yes you need to be brave, but do that and the game can survive.....carry on and we're dead in the water in 10 years, back to semi pro and amateur.
Sadly its a commercial world, and the SL i have put together there would command probably twice the amount of the new deal, plus more as it grows....simply on the basis of population you are appealing to. Same consideration with sponsors. Some say its pie in the sky, it'll never happen because fans would be in arms, but IMO i would be prepared to lose the 20-40/50% who can't see the bigger picture....they can be replaced rather than hold the game back and ultimately kill it!
If you're that childish and parochial you won't go if your team re-brand to represent a wider area, your a massive reason why the game is dying in the first place. Ultimately the game has to lose some of this deadwood to survive IMO.'"
You do of course realise that The Hundred is going to fail and is awful for the existing Counties, right?
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| Quote moto748="moto748"Then they should firm up some dates next year ASAP, and say to the Aussie and NZ authorities, will you commit here and now to full access to all NRL players for the World Cup. If they are going to (effectively) force the rest of the world to postpone, the least they can do is to offer some kind of guarantee that further objections won't be made next year, as a gesture of goof faith.'"
Summer 2022. After the commonwealth games. That should be the date. We should not be considering in any way going up against, or going close to the FIFA World Cup. What should have been, and still could be, a promising tournament would be a mere footnote in the media.
But I’ll bet my bottom dollar if we did that the NRL would have a hissy fit. Funny that.
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| The game here doesn’t have the balls to call for a UK summer World Cup next year unfortunately but in the words of Kevin Keegan “I’d love it, love it” if they did. It’ll be the safest time most likely with schools out and the Aussie players should be able to spend more time outdoors in the decent weather (maybe), which will be fabulous for their mental health and general well being and that’s what this is all about yeah?!
Honest truth-I’ve given up on the World Cup or any internationals involving the Aussies and probably Kiwis over here for five plus years. They won’t come in 2022, not a chance IMO. The only way it’s a possibility is to get them tied in to a water tight contract they can’t get out of, whereby they’re liable for millions if they pull out again.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"The game here doesn’t have the balls to call for a UK summer World Cup next year unfortunately but in the words of Kevin Keegan “I’d love it, love it” if they did. It’ll be the safest time most likely with schools out and the Aussie players should be able to spend more time outdoors in the decent weather (maybe), which will be fabulous for their mental health and general well being and that’s what this is all about yeah?!
Honest truth-I’ve given up on the World Cup or any internationals involving the Aussies and probably Kiwis over here for five plus years. They won’t come in 2022, not a chance IMO. The only way it’s a possibility is to get them tied in to a water tight contract they can’t get out of, whereby they’re liable for millions if they pull out again.'"
They’re as likely come over in Summer as they are to sign that mate but joking aside I completely agree. RL’s decline has an awful lot to do with their (NRL) half heartedness towards the international game - I mean what is it 4/5 tests each since 2017? And some Aussie on Fox has the cheek to say they care about international RL? They’re so hypocritical and ironic that they’re beyond a joke.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"They’re as likely come over in Summer as they are to sign that mate but joking aside I completely agree. RL’s decline has an awful lot to do with their (NRL) half heartedness towards the international game - I mean what is it 4/5 tests each since 2017? And some Aussie on Fox has the cheek to say they care about international RL? They’re so hypocritical and ironic that they’re beyond a joke.'"
The really sad part of it all is that after that World Cup here in 2013, I thought we were as close to cracking internationals as a sport as I can remember in my 30+ years watching the Sport. I’d come off back to back weeks of being at Wembley with 67,000 on to witness an incredible game between NZ and England, followed by being in a crowd of 74,000 at Old Trafford for Australia vs NZ and I thought ‘this is it’. It felt like the game had woken up to the fact that internationals must be the pinnacle to help your sport grow and since then it’s been absolutely pi*sed down the drain. The momentum of that tournament was killed because we didn’t have another home test for a couple of years.
The crowd for that semi at Wembley felt (and sounded) mainly Southern based and that felt pretty incredible. To grow a game new fans need to feel attached to a team to feel invested and 99% of the country couldn’t give a flying one about Wigan, Warrington, St Helens etc. They will watch an England team, they will feel invested in it and they will turn up when it’s marketed right.
It’s an incredible shame IMO what has gone on since 2013 and the NRL top brass take the vast majority of the blame.
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| Officially announced.
Furious about this, I really am. In their statement RLWC2021 have essentially confirmed the NRL were refusing point blank to release any players. Correct me if I’m wrong but that goes completely against international representation rules doesn’t it? So we’ve folded to the NRL who have no interest whatsoever in international RL and not even a sanction in sight? Utterly deplorable the whole way it’s been done.
And what guarantees are in place ensuring they don’t pull the same trick next year? The utter contempt of which they hold Intl RL is ridiculous. 4 tests in 5 years it’ll be by the time the RLWC comes around, including one year they refused to play GB as they wanted a “break”.
I genuinely cannot stand the NRL or what it stands for.
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