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| Quote Miro="Miro"But the rest you agree with right?
Now, the old fall back snipe. The conspiracy theory. Know what that is ?
Two or more people conspire to carry something out. Once carried out we don't know who, or, why?
So, we start with a theory based on available evidence. Then we come to a conclusion, again based on evidence.
We may be right, we may be wrong. History usually provides the answer.
The police, detectives, journalists etc. all start out with a …..”conspiracy theory.”
But, as I pointed out previously, the term “conspiracy theory” was deliberately used by the CIA along with advice to ridicule such “theorists” as their answer to people who doubted the official version of the assassination of President Kennedy.
It has worked quite well over the years, well done CIA, and those, like yourself, who haven't really thought through the exact meaning of the term.
You state.
“I'm not too worried about your health but the mask wearing is for the protection of others ?? “
OK, lets clear this up and this is NO conspiracy theory.
As for wearing a mask to protect others. Sorry, as we have already discussed, no scientific evidence to back that up. Especially as the government advise “anything will do” when choosing a face covering. So, no risk assessment, no kite mark, no bio l disposal available etc.....Useless, see earlier in the thread.
And, just to be clear. I know of no one and I always ask anyone I meet and that includes many clients over the age of 70, if they know of anyone, personally (not their aunties dog walkers husbands fathers brother who's 80, has a bad chest and lives in Cornwall) but personalty, if they know of anyone dying of covid-19. The answer is not one. And I can assure you, I have not managed to infect anyone as far as I know and that includes a 99 year old neighbour and his 85 year old neighbours. After 8 months of this I think I would know by now.
My wife works front line in the health industry, she has asthma, she too is fine after 8 months.
A client came in yesterday, a lady, at least 85 years old. No mask, didn't anti-social distance, her choice, just come back of holiday, fit as any 85 year old could be. The first time I talked to her was three week previously, I think if she or I was infectious she wouldn't have come back.
A client will be coming in tomorrow, 75 years of age. He visits with no mask every week for the past couple of months......still fine and dandy. If he fails to show tomorrow, I'll let you know.
All the ageing front line shop keepers who have served me since the start are all fine and dandy. As far as I can see, and that includes Asians who are supposed to be high risk.
Ah, good timing, daughter just walked in. “no one” is her answer, her partner who's family hail from another county, “no” again.
On the basis of all that, I'll take my chances.
Maybe I'm just the luckiest guy alive and all I meet equally lucky. This is my experience, not that taken from the MSM.
You know how to get rid of covid-19 ? Stop watching the TV.'"
If you don't mind I will carry on with my social distancing wearing my mask and washing my hands thanks anyway.
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| Quote Miro="Miro"Amazing I have to answer this.You have been arguing with me all this time yet you do not know where I stand on this issue?'"
Go on then, just for clarity, perhaps you could answer him ?
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"Let's just say Miro is right on all his points.
I'm a bit disappointed that someone who has seen these issues coming, from falsifying medical records, to government fraud, to BBC false reporting, to world governments trying to change the way we live our lives......... But hasn't said anything to anyone who can do something about it.
No letter to an MP
No petition started to investigate wrong doing
No contact with legitimate media to report on this.
Just a multitude of posts on a rugby league forum.
Seems to me, if that were happening, not blowing the whistle makes you in part complicit doesn't it?'"
Here we are, more fake argument from the so called "moderator" of this forum.
He has no idea whether or not I have spoken to my MP or any MP.
No idea as to whether I have started a petition let alone taken part in one.
No idea whether I have made "legitimate" contact with the media.
Really disappointed in this guy, yup, really disappointed.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Go on then, just for clarity, perhaps you could answer him ?'"
Maybe I will if he asks again but whether he deserves an answer is something else.
As for you, I asked for context, you have not provided any yet.
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| Quote coco the fullback="coco the fullback"What are you (deliberately ) not understanding?
The covid deaths are not false.
Cause of death, especially in older people, usually has more than one contributory cause. A professional doctor would list covid-19 on the death certificate if it was a or the cause of death. Dying from kidney failure caused by thickening of blood caused by covid is still a death caused by covid.
Any evidence of these big pharma bribes? How many doctors are involved? What do they want them to do?
What negative measures are the WEF proposing?
If the world at large is going to ignore the proposals, what's your problem with them?'"
You ask.
=#BF0000What are you (deliberately ) not understanding?
The covid deaths are not false.
Cause of death, especially in older people, usually has more than one contributory cause. A professional doctor would list covid-19 on the death certificate if it was a or the cause of death. Dying from kidney failure caused by thickening of blood caused by covid is still a death caused by covid.
By Malcolm Kendrick, doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England.
As an NHS doctor, I’ve seen people die and be listed as a victim of coronavirus without ever being tested for it. But unless we have accurate data, we won’t know which has killed more: the disease or the lockdown?
I suppose most people would be somewhat surprised to know that the cause of death, as written on death certificates, is often little more than an educated guess. Most people die when they are old, often over eighty. There is very rarely going to be a post-mortem carried out, which means that, as a doctor, you have a think about the patient’s symptoms in the last two weeks of life or so. You go back over the notes to look for existing medical conditions.
Previous stroke, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, angina, dementia and suchlike. Then you talk to the relatives and carers and try to find out what they saw. Did they struggle for breath, were they gradually going downhill, not eating or drinking?
If I saw them in the last two weeks of life, what do I think was the most likely cause of death? There are, of course, other factors. Did they fall, did they break a leg and have an operation – in which case a post-mortem would more likely be carried out to find out if the operation was a cause.
Mostly, however, out in the community, death certification is certainly not an exact science. Never was, never will be.
Then, along comes Covid-19, and many of the rules – such as they were – went straight out the window
=#800000Any evidence of these big pharma bribes? How many doctors are involved? What do they want them to do?
Why do I need evidence, I asked a question. A evan a retorical question does not require evidence.
However, this is the reason for my perfectly legitimate question.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—=#800000and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
I have no reason to believe this is still not an ongoing problem inside the medical profession, hence the question.
=#800000What negative measures are the WEF proposing?
If the world at large is going to ignore the proposals, what's your problem with them?
Because of the fallout as they attempt implementation. Rather like the USA promising to re-build Iraq, Afghanistan etc.. Look how that turned out.
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| Quote Miro="Miro"Here we are, more fake argument from the so called "moderator" of this forum.
He has no idea whether or not I have spoken to my MP or any MP.
No idea as to whether I have started a petition let alone taken part in one.
No idea whether I have made "legitimate" contact with the media.
Really disappointed in this guy, yup, really disappointed.'"
Yet when I asked, you wouldn't answer, and still don't.
I think you've had enough air time but you've wasted that opportunity to try and score points with those trying to discuss your opinions.
If you want to raise another thread to discuss something specific you are welcome to do so. But if it's just the same stuff as this thread I think we've exhausted it.
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