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| What do you think to this as an idea for a rule change?
If you drop the ball from either a kick or a pass, or the ball is spilled when being tackled it's considered a knock on and a scrum is awarded to the opposition.
It allows us to get rid of this "did it go forwards or backwards" garbage.
Perfect. You saw it here first. I've impressed even myself with this one  .
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| The rule as it is now is right just not applied properley,the ball souldl knocked towards the oponents goal line from the hand or arm. droping the ball vertially to the floor or getting your foot to it before the grond is not! all of wich I have seen given as knock on recently.
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| Don't like that myself, basically it is saying that in any situation where the ball touches the floor after a player touches it it is a knock on, that's seems far to restrictive. Getting towards American football territory with that where the play finishes after the ball touches the floor and the reset the line of scrimmage. We'd be doing the same and having a scrum almost every time. It means that even if it is really clear that it goes backwards it will still be a penalty, no thanks.
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| The amount of times the game will be stopped would be frustrating.
The game is becoming slower as it is.
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| I agree with the above. The game would become much slower.
I think we need to get rid of scrums - If there's a knock on. Tap or PTB (not quick) to the opposition and away we go.
Make the game much quicker.
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| Am I alone in thinking kicks take forever - penalties & conversions? Even kicking from the hand is not what it was. I'd get rid of kicking too. And long passes - where the ball is in the air for an age - that twists my melon.
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| Some players control the ball by knocking it back, that's a skill
What about when its going near touch for a 40-20 and they flick it back in field then run after the ball and pick it up
Some of the great recent tries have been players diving over the dead ball line flicking the ball back for a mate to score
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| Quote W.T.W="W.T.W"I agree with the above. The game would become much slower.
I think we need to get rid of scrums - If there's a knock on. Tap or PTB (not quick) to the opposition and away we go.
Make the game much quicker.'"
I'm very much the opposite. I'd have competitive scrums. Introduce another aspect to play that's available to teams to use if they want to.
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| If knock-ons were all deemed to be a penalty, brilliant pieces of skill such as that displayed at the weekend by Taulima Tautai, to pinch the win for Wigan, would be gone from the game - and who would want that?
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| Quote Him="Him"I'm very much the opposite. I'd have competitive scrums. Introduce another aspect to play that's available to teams to use if they want to.'"
Might be wrong and someone can correct me if I am but I seem to think that there is nothing saying that teams cant shunt and push and compete at a scrum, I seem to remember a couple of instances last season where teams did so. I'm assuming they don't because when you watch a game of union and they reset every scrum five times before getting it right even though they have performed the act thousands of times it really breaks the game up and the stoppages would really mount up.
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| Cas won the scrum against the head a few times last season. Most notable would be when they forced Roby to knock on at the base of the scrum and they went down the other end for Roberts game winning drop goal.
So scrums can still be competitive, choosing when to do it is a skill in itself.
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| I think the scrums can be competitive, with a few recent examples such as the cas one above, and I recall, Tomkins scoring for the warriors after they pushed the opposition off the ball.
It seems part of the problem is the refs don't seem to have a clue what to do if a team pushes or tries to stike, they just reset the scrum.
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